Appendix Nine--
Idris:
The Prophet of Islam?

Source: http://www.geocities.com/queball23/Idrisprophet.html

The Quran is a book of many weird prophets mentioned that have no biblical parallel to the Old or New Testament. You read the Quran and you find many strange prophets mentioned. One of these strange prophets is Idris. For a book that claims to be the eternal word of God, the Quran really falls short, in comparison to the Bible, in explaining about these prophets.

Moses is a prophet in the bible who is given extensive coverage about his life, his activities and his leadership of the Hebrew people out of Egypt. In the Quran, the same thing is also shown. However we already know about these prophets long before the Quran so it doesn't really help in trying to reiterate about them again. All the Quran basically does is just repeat the bible in many passages or it adds to the bible accounts with stories we don't find, except in the Quran itself.

Who are these other prophets in the Quran that the Bible seems to forget or leave out? With the exception of Dhul Qarnin, we don't know. If the Quran claims to be the inspired word of God then how come we don't find any information at all telling us how these prophets preached the message of God and how they were themselves chosen to follow God? Surely God would seem bright enough to provide answers to potential questions concerning the appearance of new prophets not found in the bible. However it seems that the Quran itself is suspect due to the fact that these prophets aren't elaborated on more than the mere mention or their name in a verse which is surrounded by other well-known prophets. One of these prophets mentioned in the Quran is Idris. Idris wasn't discussed in the entire Quran except in about 2 scriptures

The Quran tells us in Surah 19:56 that Idris was to be mentioned in the book by Muhammad. Surely this book can't be the bible due to the fact that Mr. Idris doesn't exist at all! In the Quran we also see nothing about Idris other than his name. What is there to mention about Idris? Apparently Muhammad didn't know since he obviously didn't mention anything in the book (Quran). How was Idris a man of truth? How was Idris a prophet? The Quran gives no explanation of whatsoever. When did Idris live? Again, no explanation from the Quran. Who was Idris a prophet too? Again no answers found.

Surah 21:85 says that Muslims must remember Ishmael, and Iris, along with others. The Quran continues by saying that all were men of constancy and patience. We know about Ishmael from the bible but again we don't find nothing mentioned by the Quran concerning how Idris is. How was exactly Idris a man of patience? We don't know but due to blind faith and nothing to go own, Muslims must believe this message in the Quran. So who is Idris? Here is what a Muslim named Naim said:

Naim's assertions are also verified by this source and may be the common assertion of Muslims today

Naim calls me a fool for not accepting this idea but lets investigate his claims to see the parallels of Enoch and Idris. We will also see whether Idris is indeed Enoch as Muslims like Naim claim. Read Genesis 5:21-24:

In order for us to make Idris be Enoch we have to find in both the Quran and the Hadith evidence of Idris doing these things like Enoch that the bible, which was in existence before Islam, mentioned. It seemed like a great prophet like Idris should be accompanied with proof in the so-called word of God which the Quran claims to be. However, there is no such evidence from both the Quran and the Hadith, look at the 2 previous scriptures mentioned earlier from the Quran, these are the only 2 that mention Idris:

None of these scriptures show anything about Idris performing anything close to the actions of Enoch. They just mention his name and that's all. Does the Hadith give any more light on this evidence? Let see: (note: If the Hadith is to long to post the part dealing specifically with Idris will be shown, this is not to post out of context but to keep the reader focused. There are many hadiths that are long in which more than one topic is discussed)

This Hadith tells us that Idris was in heaven but again no answer as to what type of activities Idris performed to get there as a prophet. If Idris was Enoch, why didn't Muhammad elaborate more on him in the Quran or Hadith to prove this statement?

Here again we see no reference to Idris being Enoch, if Muslims want to use the excuse about how Enoch was caught up to heaven and that Idris was in heaven, this is fallible due to the fact that all of these other prophets are mentioned too as being in heaven. Again the Hadith doesn't lend any help on how Idris could be Enoch.

The only thing we find out new about Idris in this Hadith is a contradiction. In the previous hadith from Bukhari, which is the most authentic hadith of Islam, we see that Idris was in the 4th heaven while here we see that Idris was in the second heaven!! This shows us that Muhammad couldn't even remember where Idris was stationed at in Heaven and surely it proves that Islamic history is contradictory as well as not providing any information on the character of who Idris was. You can even read in the rest of these hadiths and you will find absolutely nothing about the mysterious Idris.

We see that Islamic thought of Idris being Enoch has no Biblical or Islamic standards, so where did Idris come from and who is the so-called Great prophet? The Quran gives no clue and so too does the Hadith. But History does. And it doesn't look too good about Idris

There were great doubts in the hearts of many in Arabia concerning Muhammad's prophethood. Some of the contents of the Quran declare that it was not inspired by God. Lets revisit the 2 previous verses mentioned about Idris again:

Idris isn't the prophet Enoch, nor is Idris even a human being read:

Here is more:

idreesa

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Idris or IDREESA in Arabic, is the 4th Arabic word going from right to left with the !!! directly over it.

Picture of Egyptian god Osiris and Islamic prophet Idris.

This abosolutly unbelievable!! The Quran claims that Osiris the Egyptian god is a prophet!!

Here is more on Osirus

These two sources show that Idris, who is Arabic for Osiris is god of the underworld from Egypt!! They might differ on whether Osiris was resurrected but they both agree on the origin of Osiris.

The Koran declares that Idris, or Osiris, who was the ancient Egyptian god of the underworld, is:

Is Osiris the god of the underworld, or a prophet? According to the Quran he is!!! Remember there is no evidence at all in Islamic history or the Quran to prove that Idris was Enoch. This idea came along later with Muslims who tried to equate Idris to Enoch. This is most embarrassing because it shows that the Quran has fictional characters (to make it even worse, pagan gods) as prophets!

This says it all, the Quran is a book which is invented by Muhammad's fanciful mind and these erroneous legends prove this matter. If Muslims contend that Idris is Osiris then how come they can't present any proof from the Quran, first and foremost, and the Authentic hadiths to prove this matter?

If the Quran is using ancient Egyptian gods as prophets then the unbelievers are correct when they call the Quran TALES OF ANCIENTS. They made fun of Muhammad because they knew that his stories were nothing more than mere legends of times past. My dear friends Muslims can't talk about the Bible especially since Allah claimed through Muhammad that Idris, Arabic for Egyptian god of the underworld “Osiris” Tales of ancients? Yes the Quran is. For more information on the tomb of prophet Osiris of the Quran, shown in this picture, you can go to this link: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/osiris000216.html

LINKS:

Here we see who believes Islamic fiction about Idris, Madam H. P. Blavatsky in The Secret Doctrine:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/the/sd/sd2-1-21.htm There is nothing surprising in this, for she also trashes
everything about the Bible and Jesus Christ.

Here is a fitting addition to Blabber Mouth Blavatsky, for she was a male Freemason by honorary decree-- I am serious-- and a personal confidant and other things to Supreme Pontiff Albert Pike, ruler of world Freemasonry and Confederate General:

In the tradition of the African Dogon tribe, Sirius is Nommo. 995 Nommo is also the name of the three Great Initiates or happy astronomers of the Christ Brotherhood of Sirius. One of these is the prophet Idris or Enoch. This inseparable trio of honorable sages is reminiscent of the Three Principals in Royal Arch Freemasonry. http://www.ormus.ws/~alchemykey/p4.pdf

Read another Bible and Jesus hater as he calls on Muhammed to help him trivialize the Lord's Church and ancient Jewish faith: http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/burton.htm When these are the "expert witnesses" of the Idris / Enoch myth, then we can only laugh and sincerely mock the idiots. They have a devil.

Look at the company Muslim revisionists have fallen in with as they try to make Enoch into Idris:

The Great Teacher of these Mysteries is Hermes Trismegistus, the Lord of Arcane Wisdom and archetypal Magus. Among the Gypsies, the cards were held to be sacred to Tro or Tehutio, the Romany Hermes-Mercury. The nineteenth-century writer J. A. Vaillant preserved some interesting traditions concerning the Tarot as the "sidereal Book of Enoch," which as the "Wheel" (Rota) is linked with the circling revolutions of the seven stars of the Great Bear constellation around the Pole Star as the dispenser of fates and destinies to the world below. This suggests that we may identify the Tarot, on the mythic level, with the Book of the Secret Wisdom delivered to Enoch by the Angels of Heaven as recounted in the Cabalistic text Sepher-ha-Zohar. Moreover, Enoch, a figure of deep import in the Western Mysteries and Masonic lore, was identified with Hermes Trismegistus by the Sabaean cultists of mediaeval Arabia. They regarded the Prophet Idris (Enoch) as synonymous with Hermes Trismegistus as did the Mandaean Gnostics of Iraq. Thirteenth-century alchemical texts equate Enoch as the Primal Instructor in the Mysteries with "Hermes Triplex," King of Egypt. In mediaeval Masonry, Hermes-Enoch was held to have inscribed the Heavenly Wisdom received from the Angels onto great obelisks, tablets, or pillars before the Flood to ensure its preservation and for the illumination of postdiluvian humankind. In a special sense, the Tarot might well be interpreted as this timeless revelation, the original hieroglyphs of the Heavenly Wisdom. No wonder then that orthodox churchmen from the Middle Ages to the Puritan Commonwealth maligned the Tarot as the "Devil's Picture-Book" and for centuries issued endless prohibitions upon card-play and cartomancy, for beneath the cryptic figures of the old card deck they rightly sensed the signs of hidden knowledge, reflecting as in a mirror the timeless essence of the Magical Art. This is the Art of Cartosophy, revealing the inner Wisdom of the cards. http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/excerpt.php3?pn=K365

And the farmer hauled another load away, and you could tell, by the smell, that it wasn't a load of hay.

Note in the following excerpt from http://answering-islam.org/Books/Geiger/Judaism/chap21.htm, that the myth of Idris and Enoch are coupled in fantasy contrasted with the biblical account. Ishmael is also brought into Enoch's era, which is pure nonsense. It is impossible to take Islam seriously when such crass blunders are foisted on us as truth.

Another allusion to Cain is found in the Quran in a passage where he is called the man "who has seduced among men."1 No one else is mentioned in this period excepting Idris2 who, according to the commentators, is Enoch. This seems probable from the words,3 "And we uplifted him to a place on high," and also from a Jewish writing in which he is counted among the nine who went to Paradise alive. Jalalu'ddin brings this point even more prominently forward4 "He lived in Paradise where he had been brought after he had tasted death; he was quickened however, and departed not thence again." He appears to have gained his name5 on account of the knowledge of tbe Divine Law attributed to him. Elpherar remarks: "He was called Idris (searcher) on account of his earnest search in the revealed Scriptures." It is remarkable that in both these passages of the Quran6 he is mentioned after Ishmael.

Legends from Saba were the foundation of Muhammed's cult, according to this report. Enoch figures in with an apocryphal book attributed to him. Since no books were written in Enoch's era, and word of mouth was the method of passing on the revelation of Jehovah, the cult of Saba was simply a twist on the truth delivered by the true Enoch. That they called him Idris follows closely the mythological notions they held dear. That Muhammed claimed that Allah gave him the same line of cult in a cave outside Mecca merely shows that he saw the usefulness of the Sabean cult, probably having seen it in his ventures down the Frankincense Road to Yemen. This quote is found at http://answering-islam.org/Books/Tisdall/Sources/chapt3.htm

Our knowledge of the Sabians is slight, but sufficient for our purpose. An early Arabic writer, Abu Isa'l Maghribi, is quoted by Abu Fida as giving the following account of them. "The Syrians are the most ancient of nations, and Adam and his sons spoke their language. Their religious community is that of the Sabians, and they relate that they received their religion from Seth and Idris (Enoch). They have a book which they ascribe to Seth, and they style it ‘The Book of Seth.' In it good ethical precepts are recorded, such as enjoin truth-speaking and courage and giving protection to the stranger and such like: and evil practices are mentioned and command given to abstain from them. The Sabians had certain religious rites, among which are seven fixed times of prayer, five of which correspond with that of the Muslims. The sixth is the prayer at dawn, and the seventh a prayer, the time for which is at the end of the sixth hour of the night. Their prayer, like that of Muslims, is one which requires real earnestness and that the worshiper should not let his attention wander to anything else when offering it. They prayed over the dead without either bowing down or prostration, and fasted thirty days; and if the month of the new moon were a short one, then they kept the fast for twenty-nine days. The connexion with their fast they observed the festivals of Fitr ” (breaking the fast at the end of the month) "and Hilal” (new moon), in such a way that the festival of Fitr occurred when the sun entered Aries. And they used to fast from the fourth quarter of the night until the setting of the disk of the sun. And they had festivals at the time of the descending of the five planets to the mansions of their dignity. The five planets are Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, and Mercury. And they used to honour the House of Mecca" (the Kabab)

1. From this account we see clearly that the Muslims have borrowed from this obscure sect not a few of their religious practices all of which they believe were taught them by Muhammad at the command of God through the Angel Gabriel. For example, the Ramadan fast of the Muslims lasts 2 a month, from sunrise to sunset, though the rule as to the exact moment when each day begins and ends is, as we shall see 3, derived from the Jews. In Persia and some other countries a gun is fired at dawn and sunset to announce the beginning and end of each day's fast during the holy month. The Fitr feast at the end of the month is still celebrated by the Muhammadans. They have, as is we known, five stated times of prayer each day, at which prayer is optional, thus having exactly the same number as the Sabians had. Bowing down (raku) and prostration (sujud) are enjoined in Muhammadan worship, but not during the prayers offered at burials. Finally we have seen that the Muslims still most highly honour the Ka'bah. Of course it is possible that all these practices were common to the Qurash tribe as well as to the Sabians. Some of them certainly were; but, if all had been, it would be difficult to account for the observations made by the Arabic writer whom we have quoted. The supposition that many of these religious customs were borrowed by Muhammad from the Sabians, and that their religion in general (owing perhaps in a measure to its supposed antiquity) had great influence on Islam at its foundation is confirmed by the fact that, when the Banu Jadhimah of Taif and Mecca announced to Khalid their conversion to Muhammadanism, they did so by crying out, "We have become Sabians."

More nonsense from Saba enters Islam (Same source as above):

Comparing all the early writings on the Sabeans, we find that they inhabited Syria, and spread from there, they were definitely pagans, having a mixture of Babylonian and Helenic religion. The 'prophets' they professed to follow were Hermes and Agathodaemon, who they identified in Shahrastani's time with Seth and Idris (O.T. Enoch). Gods who were worshipped were the gods of the 7 week-days, the god of the Jinn, the lord of the Hour, the god who makes arrows fly, the god Tammuz (a variation of the one previously mentioned), Hamam the prince, the father of the gods, the god 'North', the lord 'Fortune', etc. They also kept the Eid of their own. Further, the Sabeans made star worship a chief characteristic of their system.

For a complete study of pagan origins of Islam, see:
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm

I want you to read how the Muslim revisionists have played fast and loose with Mother Goose to trash Jesus Christ and replace him in Bible prophecy with Muhammed. This is where the world got Idris being Enoch. There is NO other source for this fantasy in Middle Eastern and Ancient history. We take a portion from http://www.islam4all.com/newpage8.htm This is a Muslim Revisionist site.

The Qur-an only mentions Enoch under his surname "Idris" - the Arabic form of the Aramaic "Drisha" being of the same category of simple nouns as "Iblis" and "Blisa." "Idris" and "Drisha" signify a man of great learning, a scholar and an erudite, from "darash" (Arabic "darisa"). The Qur-anic text says: "And remember Idris in the same book; for he was a just person and a prophet; and We exalted him to a high place" (xix).

The Muslim commentators, Al-Baydhawi and Jalalu'd-Din, seem to know that Enoch had studied astronomy, physics, arithmetic, that he was the first who wrote with the pen, and that "Idris" signifies a man of much knowledge, thus showing that the Apocalypse of Enoch had not been lost in their time.

After the close of the Canon of the Hebrew Scriptures in the fourth century or so B.C. by the "Members of the Great Synagogue," established by Ezra and Nehemiah, all other sacred or religious literature besides those included within the Canon was called Apocrypha and excluded from the Hebrew Bible by an assembly of the learned and pious Jews, the last of whom was the famous "Simeon the Just," who died in 310 B.C. Now among these Apocryphal books are included the Apocalypses of Enoch, Barukh, Moses, Ezra, and the Sibyline books, written at different epochs between the time of the Maccabees and after the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus. It seems to be quite a la mode with the Jewish Sages to compose Apocalyptical and religious literature under the name of some celebrated personage of antiquity. The Apocalypse at the end of the New Testament which bears the name of John the Divine is no exception to this old Judaeo Christian habitude. If "Judah the brother of the Lord" was really the author of the one hundred and ten chapters bearing that name, there is no wonder that Justin the Martyr, Papias, and Eusebius would believe in the authorship of Matthew and John.

I received a letter from a self-appointed revisionist. I want you to note how this person makes assumptions which he thinks have no other explanation, and then he builds upon his assumptions, which he even admits no one else has discovered other than himself. This is what we deal with from someone on a quest to find The Way without finding The Lord Jesus Christ. His conclusions are off the wall since he assumes his word declension is infallible, and he assumes the Islamic revisionists will agree with him. Bah! This is the same silly method used by Robert Morey to make Allah the moon god.

Long ago my work on cross-cultural etymology led me to the revelation that the Greek + Egyptian addendum "us/as/es/is" originally denoted the pictogram of an outflowing of water. More specifically, it denoted a river flowing down from the original source or spring. When applied to names, like the Hebrew ben (son/daughter of) and bar (fountain or outflowing of aka son/daughter of), it meant "offspring of". I have never once found another soul who had found this to be true, but my own research affirmed it time and again.

So when one reads the Aramaic name Idris, they must realize that it is actually Idr-is, or "son of Idr".

This leaves the name Idr to be deciphered. In etymology the letter *j is always interchangeble with the letter *i, so Idr must be read as J-dr.

Going back to the time and age when Aramaic and Hebrew both stemmed from the same family of phonetic sounds and thus the same laws of grammar, we must realize that the Hebrew habit of deleting vowells found its way into the Aramaic world. So we must re-insert the proper vowels into the name J-dr, but what are they? Thankfully there is only a limited range of possibilities.

One place to look is to the Islamic teachings concerning Idris as being Enoch. Enoch being the son of JARED, we are thus seeing that J-dr is a Aramaic form of Jared, whose son would thus be called Jared-us or Idris.

I am not debating or arguing you about the mythological and historical roots of the Koran or Muhammed's credibility. I am merely supplying you with an apology which would serve the Muslim position that Enoch was Idris.

For that matter, I could probably punch more holes in the Koran than even you, sir, but this is not my goal. I am merely in the habit and career of looking for the grains of truth among the chaffe of cosmological mythology so as to help others move beyond heretical dogma and into that which is most important to my-- the inner light some call The Way.

Did you hear about the scholar who was so open minded that his brain fell out? Hmmmmmmm

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